0000536667 00000 n California Poppy Ex Golden Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .75-Gram. And your end of the conversation is without flaws? Operations in Charlevoix, Michigan began when the train lines extended up to that area in 1892, and a large Charlevoix warehouse facility was built in 1905 along the lake near the new Chicago and West Michigan Railway line. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. Sunflower Fun Sunny Hybrid Mix Seed. In the 1950s a resourceful gardener from Norway invented the Jiffypot, a biodegradable planting pot made from compressed peat that can be transplanted with the plant. It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. Do you have 12 months to wait for it? Any conversation, on any subject, even the weather, someone can participate in that conversation in a way that creates an unwillingness on the part of the other person to continue the conversation. And why would someone who likes gardening and natural living work for a company whose stated goals are completely against your values? I don't read their marketing politics or missions because all that is important to me is a product I am comfortable growing. And here is another article, from Reuters. ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. . Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . I could write an article stating that the government is doing covert genetic testing on citizens by adding something to the water to make people taller or shorter and people would think it was legitimate, because some random person typed it up and posted it online. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. 'Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic - intended to manipulate people by bullying the and using fear as a weapon'. But it was encouraging to read about "small-scale breeders who are developing and stewarding regionally suited crop varieties, nurtured in part by the Organic Seed Alliance. If someone could only convince farmers to stop using GMO seeds. Similarly, Monsanto has the rights to Better Boy, one of my regular tomatoes. I'm simply saying that I don't trust Monsanto. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. He has lots of info on this and related subjects. Green Garden Products does not imply any affiliation with or endorsement from The Walt Disney Company. To do that you just can buy any home garden seed you want. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. Better to leave the door open! They are reliable, trustworthy seeds you know will sprout and grow when you want them to. Someone above in this thread, mentioned that they were not concerned with whether or not Monsanto was buying up seed companies, because they doubted that Monsanto would ever sell GMO seeds to home gardeners, because of a worry about their patent. Charlevoix operations continued until 1927. Today Jiffy seed starting products are used by professional and experienced growers around the world. If you have some complaint about something in my post, then clearly state what that is. What we . About Ferry-Morse. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. And I prefer US grown produce always. It then gets called a documentary. It does not refer to anything specific and is just disrespectful. Do you see yourself as above the fray? I have a hard time with that because the tomatoes are innocent varieties that were developed before GM veggie products were even on the market. Do you realize that is what you are saying? You still dont know that they wont at some future time. How about if the potential outcome is something to really be afraid of, that doesn't matter? Compare At SEEDS OF CHANGE, we believe in the power of plants, which is why weve pledged to not only put more plants on the table, but also to put more in the ground. I looked and this is the one Mother Earth News article that I was thinking of in particular. This year, I also ordered seed from Johnny's seed. I'm not responsible for what you understand or who is marketing what. I was happy with that purchase too. Is Ferry-Morse seeds owned by Monsanto? You call me out? That's about it. McKenzie products are available in over 4,500 garden centers, independents and major retailers across Canada. I do not think Better Boy or the entire home garden seed market makes any difference to Monsanto. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". After Vince's passing in 2006, Linda remained as owner with her two children occasionally helping in the business.". 2. rareseeds Also known as Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds, rareseeds is a company offering some of the more rare heirloom varieties out there. Yes, you have the burden of fact checking any information for yourself. I prefer to make my own decisions and not be conned. Is that your point of view? ", Pupilla, it doesn't surprise me, that I made such an unclear statement last night, I was up past my bedtime. The same as I do about Monsanto. Anyone have any information about that? Over the years, dozens upon dozens of seed companies have come and gone. Ferry Morse Seeds & Spores - Walmart OK, I don't know what to think about this comment other than feeling you are a bully because you say I don't listen to you but you want to force a dichotomy on me again, either answer how you want or you are not interested. Organic vegetable seeds? I normally would not provide links to support my position. I do own my words and own my entire prior post, and your reply re-enforces that we are very far from each others' interpretation of events around us. ], To clarify - I believe there are still many people who are unaware of GMOs and what they are, so whenever that subject comes up, it makes people at least aware of it. Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds McClure and Zimmerman Quality Bulb Brokers Mountain Valley . Again, I gave you alternate suggestions of how to hit Monsanto's bottom line so much harder, that included not purchasing Round-Up, not purchasing Miracle Gro products, and not purchasing the commercial Zima tomato product, which I thought would make you happy since it is conventional Monsanto seeds and the growers conned Monsanto into giving them an exclusive, which prevents all home gardeners from getting this conventional seed, even though it is super delish and was developed conventional before Monsanto bought them out. A list of companies that sell seeds native to your area, and an area specific list of natives and invasives would be more productive. 0000019942 00000 n We all want this, right? I addressed this in this post already. The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. So, because I have discussed avoiding GMO seeds, I am deliberately manipulating people and bullying them and using fear as a weapon, with an argument that is illogical? If you are attempting to correct something that you believe is misleading about someone's post, than do so. Ferry-Morse. There was no need to be offended, my addition of those key phrases might have indicated to you my intention to not offend you and that my mind was still open to further explanation. 1% retail connection and then made to look as "owned by"? Livingston bred and released 35 tomato varieties, creating the cultural preference for one of todays most beloved vegetables. And I added as a reason - the difficulty I was having with the amount of time it was taking to respond to your comments, your analysis of me that made - me - more the topic of conversation than the subject being discussed. Between Monsanto having all the wealth on their side, to blanket us with their own carefully crafted PR campaign and the government having the power to give them carte blanche, it's easy to see why those that oppose what they are doing have a hard time being heard and understood. [5][8] However, Wilson's health was poor, and in 1877 he sold the operation to Charles Copeland Morse and A. L. If there are other companies that I should be concerned about, I'd like to know that too and respond the same way to their products. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? You have used it a a major component of two posts. When you say, you would vote with your dollars for products like Roundup and Miracle Gro, and you are angry that a Monsanto product is not available to you, what I hear you saying, is that you are on board as far as seeing the ill effects of inorganic methods of gardening, but youre not really against genetically modified seeds. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. Others have posted that the link is on some random site that makes no effort to insure quality information and that anyone can post anything they want, no matter how misleading, inaccurate or incomplete it is. Read this National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice if you have a moment and you can see some of the difficult issues that consumers may vote soon on with their dollars. . You dont even know the reason why Monsanto is buying so many seed companies. Always have for 30+ years. https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/seedindustry.html. You can't believe anything from infowars - their site has been taken down because of all of the conspiracy theories and fake news. If I were trying to vote with my dollars, I would direct my attention to commercial products such as Roundup and Miracle Gro, or more directly, the Zima grape tomatoes in the supermarket (link), a Monsanto conventional product not available to home gardeners. Youll have to show me where I have labeled you. Yet you dont consider this statement a label? They are restricted by commercial agreement to the grower who makes it illegal for us to buy the seeds and Monsanto went along with that as a commercial decision. Is there actually a big difference between someone being torn and being undecided? What is the best place to buy seeds online? - Mystylit.com Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto or Sells Monsanto's Seeds Seed Companies who are either owned by Monsanto or sell Monsanto products. Crop failures and disasters have been a reality since the dawn of agriculture. [12], In 2012, Seed Holdings acquired Ferry-Morse from Jiffy. I did not misquote you. 0000011436 00000 n We are all human and perfect accuracy is beyond all of us. 0000519553 00000 n Ferry-Morse. The Company was, at a particular time, the largest seed supplier globally. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. Notice they do not even qualify it with the word "knowingly", they are giving you a guaranty, unlike the other companies. There are also plenty of graphs showing the overlap of government officials that make policy and Monsanto employees which is more worrying to me actually. 0000005445 00000 n Repeat the same flaws?' [8] A merger made sense for both companies, and in 1930 they combined to form the Ferry-Morse Company. I will continue to grow my varieties no matter who makes them since any home garden variety I can buy is GMO-free so it is a no-brainer since I like the variety I should stick up for it because tomato seeds don't have a voice in this mess and they will be lost forever, and anyone boycotting home garden seeds that Monsanto bought will only contribute to the loss of these varieties since Monsanto is only a friend of its shareholders and with the stroke of a pen will stop producting these varieties and make them lost forever. For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. Five Ways the FDA Has Failed Consumers on Genetically Engineered Foods 2013, http://ecowatch.com/2013/03/07/fda-genetically-engineered-foods/, USDA will not take action in case of GMO alfalfa contamination, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/17/usa-alfalfa-gmo-idUSL2N0HD1SQ20130917. RPT-Food giants pour millions into defeating Washington GMO label measure, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/30/usa-politics-gmo-idUSL1N0IJ2G820131030. I quote your response to them: "Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. 0000002615 00000 n What is it that you feel I am bullying you into doing? One is a technology and one is a company and equating them continuiously stymies critical thinking by fusing them together. Ferry-Morse - Flower Seeds - Plant Seeds - The Home Depot If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. :). Compare $ 2 49. We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. Is Jung Seed owned by Monsanto? - Tonyajoy.com I don't consider myself "torn" as you've interpreted from my writing. However there is one point I can beef up. As of 2005 Ferry Morse is owned by Jiffy, makers of the Jiffy starter kits and based in Norway. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 Monsanto spends a lot of money lobbying Washington, so -- we have no law against genetically modifying seed. Ferry & Co with $750,000 in capital, and Ferry as president,[4] James McMillan as vice-president, H. Kirke White as secretary, and Charles C. Bowen as treasurer. The genetic engineering of human insulin was actually the first patent awarded in the field in the 1980's. Citrus Browning disease to me is not a philosophical worry, it is an economic, cultural, and very real problem today that may force me to make a decision on a particular instance of a particular GMO. How about law suits against GMO because of damage done? Since 1897, gardeners have trusted American Seed to provide the best value in the marketplace. Boycotting Better Boy by others, as an example, hurts me, not Monsanto. 0000001737 00000 n hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream I said this topic was an emotional issue for everyone, not just me. BTW, you only see it when you are signed in. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. You answer in a round about way. Dr. Thomson was forever proud of his Worlds Fair Gold Medal in Science and Industry awarded to SUPERthrive in 1940. Infowars, the site where the article came from, is not at all what I would consider an unbiased source of information. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. There is no question I want a conventionally bred product by a smaller company if there is a real choice, because it keeps conventional breeding strong and competitive and goes against the trends of consolidation which large companies represent. As for the people who rely on the government and regulatory agencies to protect them, I'd say that putting all your faith in the government for ANYTHING is living in a fools paradise. Is that your point of view? Without pioneers in the field of biotechnology, we would still be battling diabetes with insulin taken from slaughterhouse animals. Youre worried about losing a super delish tomato and Im worried about the world getting to the point of having no food supply. I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. All the people working tirelessly to be stewards of seeds and to create varieties of seed for home gardeners that are what we all want. Maryann, you mean the 'How to Source Truly High Quality Seeds' ? Monsanto is not invoved which is refreshing. And you thought these suggestions would make me happy? So I don't trust the viability of this list. Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? Huh? I agree that we are all too far removed from the reality of what is going on with our food supply, but I also believe that most people expect the government agencies to be protecting us from risks and dangers to the food supply, which would include GMO seeds and foods. And as I already said, I already do avoid the products you mention. No. Youll have to show me where I have labeled you. So why would I want to continue this conversation? I expect the same good faith from you. They seem to have the best germination rate of any seeds I've tried and they have a lot of unusual or less modern plants (like varieties and even species used by Native Americans that you can't find easily elsewhere). So who is it that began the never ending GMO debate? $1.44. The Citrus Browning is global, so if GMO is the only workable solution, not adopting it in Florida (after our Citrus growers sponsor it) will just mean other growing areas will pick up the slack, probably Brasil, and they likely will need to implement the GMO citrus and just take out produce just as Mexico did with strawberries and tomatoes already. In other words, you want GMO seeds and plants to go forward and evaluate it after the fact? Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. Ferry-Morse. I can't be the guy you throw a million things at hoping one will stick. 5.0 out of 5 stars . An awareness, not a better understanding. 0000018840 00000 n I have a better idea. Not all information regarding Monsanto and GMO's is good or even close to good. Pupilla - Im surprised, that you have taken offense at my last post. I know you won't like all my replies but I don't want you to think I am ignoring anything. Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". Ferry-Morse has been trusted by gardeners since 1856. 0000003294 00000 n In hindsight, I should not have taken the time to do so, I was rushing. Morse & Co.[8][9] Charles Copeland Morse died abruptly in 1900, and his son Lester Morse took over the business. A List of Some Seed Companies Owned by Monsanto Or Sell Monsanto And What people seem to neglect in the conversation, is there is another side to the issue of genetic engineering.First, some things I will agree on: The overuse of herbicides and pesticides in agriculture and the GE of crops to resist the harmful side effects is cause for concern. I dont even have the time to read the above entire article on Monsanto, but a quick scan of the section on Controversies, shows that all over the world, people are fighting against Monsanto because of the ill effect that their association with the company has had. And against it being sold to home gardeners or to commercial farmers. Add to Cart. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. I get it, you are a critical thinker, and independent thinker and a very detail oriented thinker. The end result: faster and stronger growth resulting in higher yields. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. Have you read the FEDCO companys catalog? The 8 Best Online Garden Stores of 2023 - Bob Vila They read any random thing, take it as gospel, and think they're informed without considering the source of the information, the bias of the author, or the fact that data can be manipulated to make any theory true. I dont object to the casual substitution of debate for discussion, but you have made enough comments throughout this thread to indicate that you meant an official debate, as in using debate theory and rules and in doing so, you elevated what should have been a friendly discussion to something more adversarial. There are smaller seed companies out there trying to get established just as the seed industry is consolidating. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? You detail your beliefs, and I respect everyone's beliefs , especially yours, whether your beliefs are religiously-based, socially-based, or logically-based. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously since before Abe Lincoln was President. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? African Daisy Mixed Colors Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .22-Gram. And calling my contribution, 'a mess', that you were expected to clean up. Thank you prarie. and that concluded the discussion, Ed and I had. And I don't feel any need to defend my complete dislike of Monsanto and what they are about. Pupilla - I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your posts here as well intentioned. What you have said here, is that people should not be avoiding Monsanto seed companies and you actually are indicating that you think that anyone who is avoiding Monsanto seed companies is either without logic, or has been manipulated or bullied and is afraid of something that they should not be afraid of. Saying such a tragic thing is like Chicken Little saying the Sky is Falling, as if it were on equal grounds with the gravity of the rest of this. Disneyland Park is a registered trademark of The Walt Disney Company. http://planet.infowars.com/uncategorized/seed-companies-owned-by-monsanto. It is one thing to be mad when a large company deprives me of seeds and has other businesses that are very profitable which can seem not to benefit consumers. I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. 0000519175 00000 n [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation. 0000535878 00000 n That is a really bad combination. This is no different from what was done in the name of religious fervor in the middle ages. :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." They bought the seed company Seminis in 2005, as well as several smaller companies. Ferry-Morse Reviews USA 2023 As for the subject of this thread - it was originally about seed companies that Monsanto has bought and people who want to avoid seed companies that Monsanto has bought - if you do not understand the reasons that people are avoiding Monsanto seed companies, than you dont. [7], Meanwhile, in 1874, R. W. Wilson began a seed-producing company based in Santa Clara, California. They are trying to sensationalize things through scare tactics, in my opinion. And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? Apparently, based on debate theory. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. OK :-) Thank you for telling me the rules. People tend to gloss over all the grey, and even white, areas as a way to paint the entire issue as something to be reviled and hated, something to be fought against. I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. And this article does a great job of explaining why I want to buy seed from these companies. Both a little assertive. It is currently part of Green Garden Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. --, That is an example of what I understand a label to mean. Instead of focusing on Monsanto why not try an article like this, that talks about the other side of the coin. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. Nature has a non-aligned editorial board and attempts to be on the cutting edge of gold-standard research in the public's interest. Now I doubt their whole list. The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. I could easily conclude that you were looking for an argument about whether people should be boycotting GMO seed companies. . No shipping on orders over $30. The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold . If you want to be sure of what you are buying, buy by variety, not by brand. of the world, it is not an issue of trust for me as much as supporting seed company diversity. I am not here to play games with words or be tripped up or trip anyone up. You entered the conversation challenging the idea of boycotting GMO seeds. Do you realize that many people already are avoiding all soy and corn because of the difficulty now of finding non GMO soy and corn? I recently purchased a pack of Ferry Morse Sow Easy Strawberry Alpine seeds (125 seeds) from Lowes for $2.49 and planted them, using a heated mat for faster germination. I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. No real surprise there. 1. Conventional breeding methods that have become so efficient that the little guy doesn't have the resources to keep up is what concerns me most. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. This company seems to be power hungry and has their own agenda as far as the food supply goes and seems to be lacking in integrity. About Ferry Morse Seeds - GardenersNet.Com 0000022414 00000 n Do you realize how confusing that is? They were certainly optional for anyone that had a desire to read them. 0000535956 00000 n Let me get this straight. That is an analysis of my part of the conversation and intentions and a label that youve added to describe your interpretation of it. I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. Jiffy created another industry breakthrough with the Jiffy pellet. There is so much common ground between us, it can easily become eclipsed by the emotions surrounding this issue. I have answered your post this time by copying the body of it and putting yours in italics in its entirety so I would not miss anyting and responded to each and every point. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. If anything the larger companies have less questionable variety development. Anyone have any information about that?". Can't beat that. After nobody else volunteered you used information about the India topic which you presented as an obligation of every living person with another if: This illustrates the cycle of misinformation undecided folks face. Where are you all buying your seeds online? I need to switch - Reddit About Burpee Seeds - Burpee - Burpee Seeds and Plants
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